Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

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Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

Although I agree, I think she was successful in the aim of making Trump look unpalatable to several more groups. I fear that she will succeed in winning the presidency, do to a combination of handouts and flattering emotional people with a pretty painting that she tricks voters into hoping she can produce but cannot.

Although I agree, I think she was successful in the aim of making Trump look unpalatable to several more groups. I fear that she will succeed in winning the presidency, do to a combination of handouts and flattering emotional people with a pretty painting that she tricks voters into hoping she can produce but cannot.

I think Trump was pretty successful making her own this economy.
Gas prices went up another 10 cents today in my area.
The economy mattyers most Ithink.

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Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

³ Hardest possible disagree. I'd rather listen to her than the word salad that ³ falls out of Trump's mouth.
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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to Denn on Wed Sep 11 2024 10:43 pm

Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

³ Hardest possible disagree. I'd rather listen to her than the word salad that ³ falls out of Trump's mouth.

Lol, you're deflecting.
Kamala is famous for her word salads.

Harris on diplomacy: "We will assist Jamaica in COVID recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica"

"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled. Certain issues are just settled."

You need to be able to go where you need to go if you want to go there and do the work you are supposed to do when you arrive.

Save the moment that relates to the past and remember it in the future. Thats how you're able to contextualize the present.

The significance of the passage of time is much more significant than what we would like to think. It's, in fact, a significant significance. One that signifies a lot, whether you consider it or you don't.

Every day, it's time for us to agree that time is passing faster than we thought yesterday. We need to look at the time now because if we do it later, it won't be the same time.

When you look at a coconut tree, you realize it's contextual. There's no coconut tree without your previously lived experience that came before, and you can't be certain that the coconut tree will be there in the future, unless you, too, are there, with it, in consequential mindfulness.

There are things we know, and there are things we don't know yet. Based on what we have seen, we know.

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Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

Although I agree, I think she was successful in the aim of making Trump look unpalatable to several more groups. I fear that she will succeed in winning th
presidency, do to a combination of handouts and flattering emotional people with a pretty painting that she tricks voters into hoping she can produce but cannot.

Yeah, I think Trump is making the same mistake he did 4 years ago by
targeting most of his message towards his loyal base and not towards the undecided voters and moderate thinkers. He did a good job of that in 2016
but completely failed to in 2020 and seems to be missing the mark again.

Kamala, OTOH, seems to be at least talking a good talk when it comes to moving more towards center than she previously seemed to be.

The one thing that might save Trump is how many of those undecides and moderates decide to hold her accountable for what has happened the past
four years vs. believing that she is really a different option from the
current administration.


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Hardest possible disagree. I'd rather listen to her than the word salad that falls out of Trump's mouth.

Neither one of them did a good job, at all, of answering questions they
were asked. She flat out dodged at least three, and he kept steering the conversation to illegal immigrants.

All they both did was spend most of the night attacking the other vs.
actually telling us much of anything about what they themselves might do.
It was a very disappointing showing.


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I wanted to hear more about who Kamala is and what she believes, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. Neither her or the media are interested in being revelatory. Everyone who votes for her will just have to hope for good things. I'm not that trusting.

At least with Trump, I know what I am getting. A guy that the entire US government and political machine feels threatened by and wants to eliminate (assassinate) from running for any public office. He did what he could in the four years he was President and I am happy to give him four more years to work on it some more. I hope he can do a bit of swamp-draining before his enemies can find a better sharp-shooter, if he can overcome the various mechanisms and agencies twisted against him and win the electoral college.

Kamala could do anything with the Presidency and no one can hold her to account for campaign promises she was never required to make. They ejected Biden and anointed Kamala in a party coup and she has every chance of gliding into the presidency through the Democrat election machine and by simply saying she is anti-Trump (while co-opting many of his initiatives). Any random person could be made President in the same way. That is what Kamie is - the random (yet pre-politically corrupted) person Biden picked for his "black woman" veep to placate certain interest groups. I see why my Demo friends like her - any one of them could have BEEN her. I don't think the Demo party really knows much about Harris, either. They just want ANYBODY but Trump - and Kamala fits the definition of ANYBODY.

I don't know her politics outside of prosecuting cases brought to her - she was only a senator for less than one term and a very small and totally un-publicized voting record before she tried for the presidency and failed into the vice-presidency. We don't know what she stands for (she didn't have much time to stand for much of anything.) and she is not going to make statements about such things at this juncture. She may well have prosecuted illegals in California but she had no interest in dealing with them in Washington, so I don't really know how she "feels" about immigration (the one thing she did as AG that seemed interesting to let her play with as VP). She just supported Joe Biden as VP and then (loyally?) stepped over his failing (now vanished?) body to become an unchallenged presidential nominee.

Doesn't inspire my vote at all. I can't see how it could inspire anyone's vote, but there are apparently half of Americans who hate Donald Trump so much they would vote for ANYONE else. If Kamie wins, I hold such people TOTALLY responsible for whatever happens next. And don't try that "lesser of two evils" tripe - You have no idea if Kamie is better or worse than Trump. She could be the "great whore of all the earth" for all you know - maybe Satan (he hides his agenda, too) in a pant-suit.

I suppose most Dems are willing to let the unknown quantity loose. I will laugh if she sells you down the river and enslaves you to your government "mommies" for "your own good". Suckle while you can.

Neither one of them did a good job, at all, of answering questions they
were asked. She flat out dodged at least three, and he kept steering the conversation to illegal immigrants.

All they both did was spend most of the night attacking the other vs. actually telling us much of anything about what they themselves might do.
It was a very disappointing showing.

Trump actually did a good job tying Kamala to the Biden policies and Gas prices and high inflation.
He did spend to much time on her total lies.
It was 3 vs 1, he should never agree to a debate with bias media organization. The only reason they were pretty fair on the Trump Biden debate is because those moderators were in on the Biden takedown.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to All on Tue Sep 10 2024 08:35 pm

Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

If she is installed in office I will dread listening to her for the next four years, let alone the harm she will do to this country.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Thu Sep 12 2024 08:26 am

Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to Denn on Wed Sep 11 2024 10:43 pm

Listening to Kamala is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard.

³ Hardest possible disagree. I'd rather listen to her than the word sal that ³ falls out of Trump's mouth.

Lol, you're deflecting.
Kamala is famous for her word salads.

Harris on diplomacy: "We will assist Jamaica in COVID recovery by assisting terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica"

"I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled. Certain issues are just settled."

You need to be able to go where you need to go if you want to go there and d the work you are supposed to do when you arrive.

Save the moment that relates to the past and remember it in the future. That how you're able to contextualize the present.

The significance of the passage of time is much more significant than what w would like to think. It's, in fact, a significant significance. One that signifies a lot, whether you consider it or you don't.

Every day, it's time for us to agree that time is passing faster than we thought yesterday. We need to look at the time now because if we do it later it won't be the same time.

When you look at a coconut tree, you realize it's contextual. There's no coconut tree without your previously lived experience that came before, and can't be certain that the coconut tree will be there in the future, unless y too, are there, with it, in consequential mindfulness.

There are things we know, and there are things we don't know yet. Based on w we have seen, we know.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Thu Sep 12 2024 08:26 am

Lol, you're deflecting.
Kamala is famous for her word salads.

"In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in they're eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there"

I know that's not word quite word-salad, but it is pure derangement.

Biden did the right thing by dropping out. Trump should do the same thing, he's mentally unfit for the job.

Just look at how riled up he got when Harris said his rallies were small, and that people were bored. He couldn't hold back.

"Just think of it. We would be in World War Two very quickly if we're going to be relying on this man, and far more devastating than any war."

(Another Trump quote from the same speech a year ago where he forogot he would be running against Biden, and suggested that his opponent was Obama. )

social media is full of people laughing at his word salad rambling. It's been an ongoing joke for the last 8+ years, and it's only gotten worse.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 12 2024 01:04 pm

Trump actually did a good job tying Kamala to the Biden policies and Gas prices and high inflation.
He did spend to much time on her total lies. It was 3 vs 1, he should never agree to a debate with bias media organization. The only reason they were pretty fair on the Trump Biden debate is because those moderators were in on the Biden takedown.

HOW DARE the moderators fact check!



High gas prices and high inflation were a direct result of Covid.

That said, I just filled up yesterday for $2.72 a gallon. seems pretty good to me.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Thu Sep 12 2024 08:26 am

"In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in they're eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there"

I know that's not word quite word-salad, but it is pure derangement.

Biden did the right thing by dropping out. Trump should do the same thing, he's mentally unfit for the job.

Just look at how riled up he got when Harris said his rallies were small, and that people were bored. He couldn't hold back.

"Just think of it. We would be in World War Two very quickly if we're going to be relying on this man, and far more devastating than any war."

(Another Trump quote from the same speech a year ago where he forogot he would be running against Biden, and suggested that his opponent was Obama. )

social media is full of people laughing at his word salad rambling. It's been an ongoing joke for the last 8+ years, and it's only gotten worse.

Non of that is word salad, everyone makes mistakes with names, just look at the idiot moderator in opening the debates said her and Trumps administration.
That also was just a mistake.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 12 2024 01:04 pm

HOW DARE the moderators fact check!

High gas prices and high inflation were a direct result of Covid.

That said, I just filled up yesterday for $2.72 a gallon. seems pretty good to me.

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Oh wait, they failed to fact check Kamala, independat fact checkers did that, and also found Trump was more truthful.

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º Kamala is famous for her word salads. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from Denn]
º ...And Trump isn't? See below for an example, from his talk with the
º Economic Club of New York last Thursday:
ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ
º President Trump, you - you talked about how the increase in the price of
º food, gas and rent is hurting families, but the real cost that's
º breaking families' backs and preventing women from participating in the
º workforce is child care. Child care is now more expensive than rent for
º working families and is costing the economy more than $122 billion a
º year, making it one of the most urgent economic issues that is facing
º our country. In fact, the cost of child care is outpacing the cost of
º inflation, with the majority of American families of young children
º spending more than 20% of their income on child care. One thing that
º Democrats and Republicans have in common is that both parties talk a lot
º about what they're going to do to address the child care crisis, but
º neither party has delivered meaningful change. If you win in November,
º can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care
º affordable? And if so, what specific piece of legislation will you
º advance?
ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [question from Reshma Saujani]
º Well, I would do that. And we're sitting down - you know, I was
º somebody - we had - Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka were so
º impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when
º you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that -
º because, look, child care is child care. It's - couldn't - you know,
º it's something - you have to have it. In this country, you have to
º have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of
º numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels
º that they're not used to, but they'll get used to it very quickly -
º and it's not going to stop them from doing business with us but
º they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our
º country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're
º talking about, including child care. That - it's going to take care -
º we're going to have - I - I look forward to having no deficits within
º a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told
º you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are
º going on in our country. Because I have to say with child care - I
º want to stay with child care - but those numbers are small relative
º to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including
º growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just -
º that I just told you about. We're going to be taking in trillions of
º dollars. And as much as child care is talked about as being
º expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to
º the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into
º an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and
º then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other
º people, but we're going to take care of our country first. This is
º about America first, it's about Make America Great Again. We have to
º do it because right now we're a failing nation. So we'll take care of
º it. Thank you. Very good question.
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º Neither one of them did a good job, at all, of answering questions they
º were asked. She flat out dodged at least three, and he kept steering the
º conversation to illegal immigrants.
º
º All they both did was spend most of the night attacking the other vs.
º actually telling us much of anything about what they themselves might do.
º It was a very disappointing showing. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from Dumas Walker]
º Unfortunately, unless the organizers and moderators do something to rein
º candidates in, I think the age of the debate, at least as we've known it,
º is on the way out.
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º I know that's not word quite word-salad, but it is pure derangement.
º
º Biden did the right thing by dropping out. Trump should do the same thing,
º he's mentally unfit for the job. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from DaiTengu]
º There *really* needs to be a maximum age to run for office. I'd set it to
º the federal retirement age.
ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ Your time was just wasted by ̹ƒlian

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to Denn on Thu Sep 12 2024 08:31 pm

º Kamala is famous for her word salads. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from Denn] º ...And Trump isn't? See below for an example, from his talk with the º Economic Club of New York last Thursday: ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ ÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ º President Trump, you - you talked about how the increase in the price of º food, gas and rent is

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 12 2024 05:01 pm

Oh wait, they failed to fact check Kamala, independat fact checkers did that, and also found Trump was more truthful.

He usually is... and it seems funny that when Trump says something that the mainstream media idiots laugh at, he usually ends up being right in the long run.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: W5jsn to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 12 2024 02:52 pm

I wanted to hear more about who Kamala is and what she believes, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. Neither her or the media are interested in being revelatory. Everyone who votes for her will just have to hope for good things. I'm not that trusting.

why do you want to hear more. she's been the vp for 4 years.
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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Bf2k+ to Denn on Fri Sep 13 2024 02:44 am

Oh wait, they failed to fact check Kamala, independat fact checkers
did that, and also found Trump was more truthful.

He usually is... and it seems funny that when Trump says something that the mainstream media idiots laugh at, he usually ends up being right in the long run.

Yep, and there are local sources there in Ohio for the story.
You know it must be true when the leftwing media acts like it's been debunked.
Like the Russia hoax and the Hunter Laptop.

NBC
Former President Donald Trump, during Tuesday’s presidential debate, repeated a baseless and sensationalist claim about Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating dogs and other pets.

NPR
Vance, who represents Ohio in the U.S. Senate, spread a debunked claim about Haitian migrants living in the city of Springfield, Ohio, on Monday.

BBC
Donald Trump claimed immigrants in a small Ohio city were eating pets, but there's no proof of this.

AP NEWS
Former President Donald Trump has amplified false rumors that Haitian immigrants in Ohio are abducting and eating pets.

Rueters
A viral narrative suggesting Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, are stealing residents' pets or taking wildlife from parks for food .


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It was 3 vs 1, he should never agree to a debate with bias media organization.
The only reason they were pretty fair on the Trump Biden debate is because those moderators were in on the Biden takedown.

Or it is too difficult to set someone up who isn't "all there" enough to
pick up on it.


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I wanted to hear more about who Kamala is and what she believes, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. Neither her or the media are interested in being revelatory. Everyone who votes for her will just have to hope for good things. I'm not that trusting.

Like Biden 4 years ago, she and Walz are doing a good job avoiding chances
to talk when the media is present.

For a lot of her voters, all they are hoping for is "not Trump."

At least with Trump, I know what I am getting. A guy that the entire US government and political machine feels threatened by and wants to eliminate (assassinate) from running for any public office. He did what he could in the four years he was President and I am happy to give him four more years to work
on it some more. I hope he can do a bit of swamp-draining before his enemies can find a better sharp-shooter, if he can overcome the various mechanisms and
agencies twisted against him and win the electoral college.

Yes. It is said that our elections have become "choosing the evil you
know" or "the lesser of two evils" and not the best person for the job.

I don't know her politics outside of prosecuting cases brought to her - she wa
only a senator for less than one term and a very small and totally un-publicized voting record before she tried for the presidency and failed int
the vice-presidency. We don't know what she stands for (she didn't have much time to stand for much of anything.) and she is not going to make statements about such things at this juncture. She may well have prosecuted illegals in California but she had no interest in dealing with them in Washington, so I don't really know how she "feels" about immigration (the one thing she did as AG that seemed interesting to let her play with as VP). She just supported Joe
Biden as VP and then (loyally?) stepped over his failing (now vanished?) body to become an unchallenged presidential nominee.

Well, if you go back and look at her prosecution record, there are those
that claim it is full of things that contradict things she says now. I
have not looked too close, so that could be true or not.

Per CNN, in 2019, the non-partisan GovTrack organization ranked her as the "most liberal Senator" in the then-current Senate. That was a Senate that included Sanders and Warren.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-
heck/index.html

Doesn't inspire my vote at all. I can't see how it could inspire anyone's vote, but there are apparently half of Americans who hate Donald Trump so much
they would vote for ANYONE else.

Yes, they were willing to vote for Biden even thought it was obvious before
the debate that he was failing mentally.

I suppose most Dems are willing to let the unknown quantity loose. I will laug
if she sells you down the river and enslaves you to your government "mommies" for "your own good". Suckle while you can.

I am not a Dem and she doesn't really inspire me. Many of your more leftist Dems won't even notice (or care) if she sells them down a river. ;)


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º All they both did was spend most of the night attacking the other vs.
º actually telling us much of anything about what they themselves might do.
º It was a very disappointing showing. ÈÍËÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ [quote from Dumas Walker]
º Unfortunately, unless the organizers and moderators do something to rein
º candidates in, I think the age of the debate, at least as we've known it,
º is on the way out.

IMHO, the moderators of the first debate did a much better job, but maybe
that was because Trump (the only participant in both) seemed on better
behavior at the first one.

Back in time, I felt like PBS did a better job than other networks, but it
has been a while since they have hosted one.


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In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in they're eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there"

Actually there are local reports and a couple of video's of haitians killing geese in a park.
It's being ignored by the leftstream media.
Not sure about the cats and dogs being eaten.

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IMHO, the moderators of the first debate did a much better job, but maybe that was because Trump (the only participant in both) seemed on better behavior at the first one.

And I fear that's not without reasons obvious yet unmentionable. :( |01ÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ |03Something something |11̹ƒlian

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Yep, and there are local sources there in Ohio for the story.

When I search for them, the local Ohio sources (example - The Canton Repository, the Ohio DNR) are also debunking the claims, or are claiming that the reports cannot be verified. Where are you finding Ohio sources that state the claims are true?

Please share.


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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 12 2024 05:02 pm

"In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in they're eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there"

Do you live in Ohio? Do you live in Clark County, OH? Do you live in Springfield OH?

I live 40 miles away from there. I've been there and it looks like a SHITHOLE. There arecrs flipped over, the pond there is EMPTY. It was quite the ecosystem for Canadian geese.

Haitians are known to practice voodoo/witchcraft/black magic. They use and sometimes DO EAT CATS, PIGEONS, and HENS. Live or dead, they eat them and scarifice them.

So unless you or anyone else has been there... STFU.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 12 2024 05:07 pm

HOW DARE the moderators fact check!

Moderators have one job - ASK A QUESTION and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

We don't do "fact checks", no one asked for your OPINION on ANYTHING.

When has this happen before? This was a obscene abuse of the airwaves.

But it's ok - WE are looking through the bullshit and smoke and mirrors.

We know she put out to get to the top; she might give great head, but SHE'S STILL A BUMBLING COW, THAT COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT **ANYONE**, EVEN HER OWN.

WAKE THE EFF UP.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Bf2k+ to Denn on Fri Sep 13 2024 02:44 am

He usually is... and it seems funny that when Trump says something that the mainstream media idiots laugh at, he usually ends up being right in the long run.

FACTS!

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: MRO to W5jsn on Fri Sep 13 2024 07:38 am

why do you want to hear more. she's been the vp for 4 years.
it's not like she's a newcomer.

Trump even suggested... Go over to the White House and sign a piece of paper to CLOSE THE BORDER NOW...

That was days ago... Border has been forgoten.

SHE DOESN'T CARE. IF she did, she would have had Joe break out a pen and sign an EO to CLOSE the BORDER IMMEDIATELY.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 12 2024 05:02 pm

"In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in they're eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there"

Do you live in Ohio? Do you live in Clark County, OH? Do you live in Springfield OH?

I live 40 miles away from there. I've been there and it looks like a SHITHOLE. There arecrs flipped over, the pond there is EMPTY. It was
quite the ecosystem for Canadian geese.

Haitians are known to practice voodoo/witchcraft/black magic. They use
and sometimes DO EAT CATS, PIGEONS, and HENS. Live or dead, they eat
them and scarifice them.

So unless you or anyone else has been there... STFU.

So says the wanker who just posted to me in another echo, asking me who
died and left me the boss.

Nothing like a hypocrite, eh? FOAD.



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Re: Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Gamgee to KnightMare on Sat Sep 14 2024 09:14 pm

Nothing like a hypocrite, eh? FOAD.

Obviously you can't read either, you asshole.
I said STFU not "disappear". Now crawl back into your UK Dictionary.

Twat.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sat Sep 14 2024 10:50 am

the Alec Lace show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOOXvUlSaTM

911 call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bMwJlmewQA

I think the big story here is actually how Joe and Kamala sent 300k Haitians to different parts of the USA.
20k of them went to Springfield, Ohio and the residents are angry, frustrated and they want out.

Not sure if they're eating cats and dogs, but definatly they're eating Ducks and Geese.
Not the worst thing in the world.

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HOW DARE the moderators fact check!

Moderators have one job - ASK A QUESTION and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

No, their one job is to moderate the debate. Fact checking is part of debate moderation.

We don't do "fact checks", no one asked for your OPINION on ANYTHING.

Opinion is not a factor in fact checking.

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WAKE THE EFF UP.

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So says the wanker who just posted to me in another echo, asking me who died and left me the boss.

And you still have yet to answer their /quo warranto/, which makes it yawningly obvious that you *can't*.

Nothing like a hypocrite, eh? FOAD.

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Re: Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Gamgee to KnightMare on Sat Sep 14 2024 09:14 pm

Nothing like a hypocrite, eh? FOAD.

Obviously you can't read either, you asshole.
I said STFU not "disappear".

Your previous point was saying I was being an asshole to somebody. Just exactly what you then did. "STFU" is not exactly a kind thing to say.

Doofus.



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I think the big story here is actually how Joe and Kamala sent 300k Haitians t
different parts of the USA.
20k of them went to Springfield, Ohio and the residents are angry, frustrated and they want out.

In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It sounds
like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind it that are receiving FEMA money for relocating them. Now, did Kamala brag about
getting Temporary Protective Status for these Haitian immigrants? Yes. Is FEMA handing out the money as a part of their administration? Yes.


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I said STFU not "disappear". Now crawl back into your UK Dictionary.

I didn't know you relocated to the UK??? :D


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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Sat Sep 14 2024 10:37 pm


I've been told that a lot of homeowners are being asked to sell their homes for an absurd amount of money to move these illegals in to them.

Tell me again, how Biden-Harris good for us?

She STILL has not closed the border.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to KnightMare on Sun Sep 15 2024 04:37 am

No, their one job is to moderate the debate. Fact checking is part of debate moderation.

I must a little rusty here... Can you cite any Presidential Debate where FACT CHECKING was part of the platform?

Opinion is not a factor in fact checking.

The moderators are not supposed to give ANY opinions.

That would be VOTER TAMPERING.

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Re: Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Gamgee to KnightMare on Sun Sep 15 2024 07:49 am

Your previous point was saying I was being an asshole to somebody. Just exactly what you then did. "STFU" is not exactly a kind thing to say.

I defended someone that was being attacked IMHO wrongly.

Would you let someone get verbally abused and NOT try to defend them?
Didnt think so.

Let's just end this diatribe here. You got a beef w/ someone, then
take it private. Else, someone is going to see what they see and
act on it.

There I end my stpry. Take that as an apology if you want.
I stand by my convictions.

In the internet, no one can hear your inflections. There's where most
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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Sep 15 2024 09:14 am

In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It sounds like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind it that are receiving FEMA money for relocating them. Now, did Kamala brag about getting Temporary Protective Status for these Haitian immigrants? Yes. Is FEMA handing out the money as a part of their administration? Yes.

All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: KnightMare to Dumas Walker on Sun Sep 15 2024 01:49 pm

All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
gave a shit.

they do have programs and housing for homeless vets.
when i lived in milwaukee there were several places.

they also had a dorm where you could live if you were low income.
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I said STFU not "disappear". Now crawl back into your UK Dictionary.

I didn't know you relocated to the UK??? :D

Heh. Yeah, this Knightmare n00b says some strange things. Makes about
as much sense as the rest of his drivel, I guess.

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KnightMare wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Gamgee to KnightMare on Sun Sep 15 2024 07:49 am

Your previous point was saying I was being an asshole to somebody. Just exactly what you then did. "STFU" is not exactly a kind thing to say.

I defended someone that was being attacked IMHO wrongly.

As did I.

Would you let someone get verbally abused and NOT try to defend them? Didnt think so.

Depends. If they were being an asshole and provoking things, then maybe
not.

Let's just end this diatribe here. You got a beef w/ someone, then
take it private. Else, someone is going to see what they see and
act on it.

There I end my stpry. Take that as an apology if you want.
I stand by my convictions.

Fair enough.



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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Sun Sep 15 2024 09:14 am

In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It sounds like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind it that are receiving FEMA money for relocating them. Now, did Kamala brag about getting Temporary Protective Status for these Haitian immigrants? Yes. Is FEMA handing out the money as a part of their administration? Yes.

All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
gave a shit.

Well! Something we can actually agree upon here!



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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: KnightMare to Denn on Sun Sep 15 2024 01:36 pm

I've been told that a lot of homeowners are being asked to sell their homes for an absurd amount of money to move these illegals in to them.

Tell me again, how Biden-Harris good for us?

I'm not a Biden-Harris fan.

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All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.

Yeah, that really pissed me off.


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they do have programs and housing for homeless vets.
when i lived in milwaukee there were several places.

they also had a dorm where you could live if you were low income.

In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked out in
favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the facilities can get
more money from the government for taking in immigrants vs. assisting the
other groups.


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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Sep 16 2024 09:01 am

they do have programs and housing for homeless vets.
when i lived in milwaukee there were several places.

they also had a dorm where you could live if you were low income.

In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked out in favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the facilities can get more money from the government for taking in immigrants vs. assisting the other groups.

yeah that's how it works.
but really, we shouldn't be supporting anybody forever, unless they were wounded in service. they had tinyhomes for vets in my old city and they tried to help them get back on their feet and get jobs but like 90% of these people wanted to get drunk and smoke and sit around all day. my neighbor had his father stay in one. they did a story on him in the paper. kicked out one year later. refused to take classes, refused to work, refused to look for work.
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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: KnightMare to Denn on Sun Sep 15 2024 01:36 pm

Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to Dumas Walker on Sat Sep 14 2024 10:37 pm
Tell me again, how Biden-Harris good for us?

She STILL has not closed the border.

She has no intention of closing the border... or of doing anything else she promises.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: DaiTengu to Denn on Thu Sep 12 2024 05:07 pm

High gas prices and high inflation were a direct result of Covid.

They have nothing to do with the monetary policies and pseudocolonialist policies of the last, dunno, 40 yers, finally bursting XD


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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Bf2k+ to KnightMare on Mon Sep 16 2024 04:46 pm

She has no intention of closing the border... or of doing anything else she promises.

One of the RARE facts about her, right there.

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but really, we shouldn't be supporting anybody forever, unless they were wounded in service.

I agree that we shouldn't be supporting able-bodied, able-minded people forever.


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I think Trump was pretty successful making her own this economy.
Gas prices went up another 10 cents today in my area.
The economy mattyers most Ithink.

The problem is gasoline being inflated since Putin invaded Ukraine, the
price has taken almost 18 months plus to recover from that.

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If she is installed in office I will dread listening to her for the next four
years, let alone the harm she will do to this country.

A divided government helps keep sanity. Im hoping for a Republican
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º There *really* needs to be a maximum age to run for office. I'd set it to
º the federal retirement age.

I would require a rule of Age 80. You can not run for president if your
4 years will make you 80 years old. So if you are 74 you can run for 1
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In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It sound like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind it that ar receiving FEMA money for relocating them. Now, did Kamala brag about getting Temporary Protective Status for these Haitian immigrants? Yes FEMA handing out the money as a part of their administration? Yes.

All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
gave a shit.

Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

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they do have programs and housing for homeless vets.
when i lived in milwaukee there were several places.

they also had a dorm where you could live if you were low income.

In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked out in favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the facilities can get more money from the government for taking in immigrants vs. assisting the other groups.

"Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

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º There *really* needs to be a maximum age to run for office. I'd set
º the federal retirement age.

I would require a rule of Age 80. You can not run for president if your
4 years will make you 80 years old. So if you are 74 you can run for 1 term, but not 2.

Myself, I think that's far too old. (For context, I thought there was one federal retirement age, but no, the federal employee benefit plan makes it much more complicated than that. The oldest immediate retirement age under that plan is 62 with five years of service.)

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to KnightMare on Sun Sep 29 2024 05:19 am

In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It DW>> sound like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind

All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
gave a shit.

Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

Not a soul brave enough to put their name on any of these accusations. That's because they are false. Just another anonymously sourced story meant to tear down a Commander-in-Chief who loves our military and has delivered on the promises he's made. What a disgrace!
There are several people that were there and dispute this.
isn't it funny the accusers were never Trumpers.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to Dumas Walker on Sun Sep 29 2024 05:20 am

they do have programs and housing for homeless vets.
when i lived in milwaukee there were several places.

they also had a dorm where you could live if you were low income.

In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked
out in favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the
facilities can get more money from the government for taking in
immigrants vs. assisting the other groups.

"Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

What? you don't have Google?
Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the work for me".

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halian wrote to KnightMare <=-

In this instance, I am not sure if Joe and Kamala sent them. It sound like the mayor is convinced that some companies are behind it that ar receiving FEMA money for relocating them. Now, did Kamala brag about getting Temporary Protective Status for these Haitian immigrants? Yes FEMA handing out the money as a part of their administration? Yes.

All this money for these people and not ONE DIME for homeless Vets.
I love my country, but I hate my current goverment. At least Trump
gave a shit.

Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that
about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and
which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.



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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

"Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

What? you don't have Google?
Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the work for me".

That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

Nightfox

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Nightfox to Denn on Sun Sep 29 2024 12:43 pm

"Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

What? you don't have Google?
Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you
do the work for me".

That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

But.... If someone dosen't believe what was said they can and should look it up.
I never automatically believe anyone, If I have a problem with what is said I will fact check it.


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In some places, vets and old people are (supposedly!) being kicked out in favor of illegal immigrants because the owners of the facilities can get more money from the government for taking in immigrants vs. assisting the other groups.

"Supposedly" is pulling a lot of weight there. Citation needed.

That is why I used "supposedly." The citations I have seen for it are not
from what I would call typically reliable sources... they are sometimes
right and sometimes not.

In a specific case of it happening in New York, the NY Post claimed it was true, while Military Times claims it is false. I would tend to believe the latter.


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Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers >buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to >France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation that
you might want to check out.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/

"In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify the claim.

So, in short, you are basing your claims on a story that relied on
anonymous, second-hand reports and no documented proof.


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Dumas Walker wrote to HALIAN <=-

Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers
buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to
France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation
that you might want to check out.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers- losers/

"In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied
on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was
no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the
in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify
the claim.

So, in short, you are basing your claims on a story that relied on anonymous, second-hand reports and no documented proof.

No surprise there. Standard procedure for liberal koolaid-slurpers.

The funny part is how they try to act as if the other side are the only
ones doing that.



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Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. sol >buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a vis >France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation that you might want to check out.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-lo

Its so stupid that we're still talking about [ALL of these BS Trump misquotes] this.

Not attacking you, Dumas - but the other side would attack us, blast us on the main media news for weeks at a time and make sure the world knew.

We're still talking about a quote that if people would have listened to the 30sec prior they couldn't have said anything about it... they still would, but any sane person wouldn't.

It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't want Trump over any reality.



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because they are false.

[citation needed]

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What? you don't have Google?
Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the for me".

You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

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When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.

Don't mistake my criticism of Trump for fandom of Harris; I merely believe the latter is the less horrible viable option. I'm of the belief that a switch as far away as possible from our current first-past-the-post voting system has been sorely needed for years. Then we can start on the more important task of actually turning this country left.

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liberal

lol. lmao

koolaid-slurpers

lol. lmao

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It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't want T over any reality.

Trump is a reality fundamentally incompatible with truth.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to Denn on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:18 am

because they are false.

[citation needed]

GOOGLE it.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to Denn on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:18 am

What? you don't have Google?
Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you
do the for me".

You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

You can Google it.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to KnightMare on Sun Sep 29 2024 05:19 am

Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. soldiers buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a visit to France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who

Citation, please.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the work for me".

No - it means you made the claim, now back it up.

Don't talk about something you have no proof of. i'm not doing your
dirty work.

It's you (the claimnant) who is lazy.

Yhe onus is on you.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

No - it means you made the claim, now back it up.

Don't talk about something you have no proof of. i'm not doing your
dirty work.

It's you (the claimnant) who is lazy.

Yhe onus is on you.

No, people need to do their own fact checking, I do. Most people that post never provide proof.
And when you provide a link, they either won't follow it or they say they don't trust the source.
They have all the same resources at their fingertips that I have.

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Denn to halian on Sun Sep 29 2024 08:22 am

No - it means you made the claim, now back it up.

Don't talk about something you have no proof of. i'm not doing your
dirty work.

It's you (the claimnant) who is lazy.

Yhe onus is on you.

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No need for citation anyway, Dumas Walker and paulie420 already provided sources.
It's funny that the accusers are anonymous, yet the defenders saying it wasn't true and were there gave their names.
"Zach Fuentes, a former White House aide who left the administration in early 2019 and was with the president on the Paris trip and presumably near him during the in-question conversations about the cemetery visit, stood up for Trump in an interview with Breitbart.".

"Referring to Gen. John Kelly, who was with Trump during the trip as his chief of staff, he said, "I did not hear POTUS call anyone losers when I told him about the weather. Honestly, do you think General Kelly would have stood by and let ANYONE call fallen Marines losers?".

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Re: Re: Trump Harris debate
By: halian to paulie420 on Tue Oct 01 2024 06:23 am

It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't
want T over any reality.

Trump is a reality fundamentally incompatible with truth.

Don't take this the wrong way...

You're either a troll, or you're just really a member of the Sheeple Coalition and I'm talking about part of the leadership members...

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Trump called U.S. Marines who died at Belleau Wood "suckers" and U.S. sol >DW> >buried at Aisne-Marne American Cemetery "losers" in a speech during a vis >DW> >France in 2018. Doesn't really sound like someone who gives a shit to me.

Since you asked me for citations on this thread, here is a citation that you might want to check out.

Its so stupid that we're still talking about [ALL of these BS Trump misquotes]
this.

Not attacking you, Dumas

As I agree I did not take it as such. ;)

- but the other side would attack us, blast us on the
main media news for weeks at a time and make sure the world knew.

Trump is not always perfect in what he says for sure but it would be nice
if the press didn't misquote, or fail to fully quote, our Presidents and Presidential candidates. Let us hear/read all they said and then let us
decide if we like it or not. Instead the press try to lead us to a decision they want.

Some of the same things are happening with Harris. The other day FOX News posted something to YT that was about another "Harris word salad." It was pretty obviously heavily edited and, despite that (and despite the fact
that I didn't agree with her!), her words were not nonsense as FOX News
would want us to believe.

It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't want Trump >over any reality.

There are sure some members of the press, and a lot of voters, who aren't
so much leaning towards Harris (and Biden before her) as they are away from Trump.


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It's a joke - they don't want to speak the truth... they just don't w over any reality.

Trump is a reality fundamentally incompatible with truth.

Harris is a reality overtaken by lies - smoke and mirrors.



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Trump is not always perfect in what he says for sure but it would be nice if the press didn't misquote, or fail to fully quote, our Presidents and Presidential candidates. Let us hear/read all they said and then let us decide if we like it or not. Instead the press try to lead us to a decision they want.

Some of the same things are happening with Harris. The other day FOX
News posted something to YT that was about another "Harris word salad." It was pretty obviously heavily edited and, despite that (and despite
the fact that I didn't agree with her!), her words were not nonsense as FOX News would want us to believe.

Both Fox and CNN are bullshit. We don't have a Walter Cronkite (The most trusted man in America) anymore; a 'politcally neutral reporter'.. until 1968 when he made his views on the Vietnam War known, he was a stallward in reporting... - nor do we have a Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley or even Eric Sevareid. Only until their latter years did these reporters show their affiliations - these are reporters that we would all benefit from today in 2024; but it won't happen.

There are sure some members of the press, and a lot of voters, who aren't so much leaning towards Harris (and Biden before her) as they are away from Trump.

I hope we all vote, Dumas - I'm certainly going to.
(I'm in Oregon - so.. please, YOU VOTE. :P)



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We don't have a Walter Cronkite (The most
trusted man in America) anymore; a 'politcally neutral reporter'.. until 1968 when he made his views on the Vietnam War known, he was a stallward in reporting... - nor do we have a Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley or even Eric Sevareid. Only until their latter years did these reporters show their affiliations - these are reporters that we would all benefit from today in 2024; but it won't happen.

I have to give Cronkite a pass for making his views on Vietnam known. Even with that, there is a difference between making your own views known and
trying to distort things to make your view the views of others.

You are correct, there are very few *if any* reporters left like those.

There are sure some members of the press, and a lot of voters, who aren't
so much leaning towards Harris (and Biden before her) as they are away from Trump.

I hope we all vote, Dumas - I'm certainly going to.
(I'm in Oregon - so.. please, YOU VOTE. :P)

LOL, I plan to. I am in Kentucky which should likely go red.


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What? you don't have Google?
Citation needed is a way of saying "I'm to lazy to look it up, you do the
for me".

You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

Actually, I made the claim originally. When asked, I gave two sources that contradicted each other (NY Post, Military Times) and suggested I am apt to believe the latter even though it contridicted my initial post.

I also posted a link from Snopes that disproved a claim you made later on in this thread about Trump using derogatory terms to refer to dead service members.


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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Nightfox to Denn on Sun Sep 29 2024 12:43 pm

That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

Nightfox

That is because I have discovered reposting the same information once and again and again becomes tedious after a while. I am not talking specifically about this discussion, but geeze, there are some subjects that are both common knowledge and docummented, and when you bring them up somebody asks for a source.

They don't ask for a source because they are curious, mind you; they ask for a source as a way to declare "haha, you said something without a source, now suck my cock!" So when you bother to provide a source, it does not matter because by the time you post it they have already moved on. They never cared.

A week later a different person does the same thing regarding the same topic. Multiply it three more times and then it becomes obvious asking for certain sources of information is a dishonest practice and nobody should be playing ball.


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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu Oct 03 2024 07:10 pm

That argument also sounds like a way of saying "I'm too lazy to provide a
link to back up what I'm saying; you look it up."

That is because I have discovered reposting the same information once and again and again becomes tedious after a while.

I wasn't talking about you; I had written this in reply to someone else.

I am not talking
specifically about this discussion, but geeze, there are some subjects that are both common knowledge and docummented, and when you bring them up somebody asks for a source.

I'm not talking about things that are common knowlege. I've often seen people post things regarding information that isn't well known, and then offer nothing to back it up, which is why people ask for a source.

Or, alternately, people mention something as an argument to something else, but the information seems dubious, yet they don't provide a source.

Nightfox

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Re: Trump Harris debate
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Thu Oct 03 2024 07:42 pm

I'm not talking about things that are common knowlege. I've often seen people post things regarding information that isn't well known, and then offer nothing to back it up, which is why people ask for a source.

Or, alternately, people mention something as an argument to something else, but the information seems dubious, yet they don't provide a source.

That's what "Fact checking" is about.
If someone dosen't believe something I said then they should fact check me.
When you provide sources they ignore it 9 out of 10 times anyway, or they say the sources are wrong or inaccurate, many times sources these days are inaccurate, thats why when I fact check I use multiple sources left and right leaning.

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That is because I have discovered reposting the same information once and agai
and again becomes tedious after a while. I am not talking specifically about this discussion, but geeze, there are some subjects that are both common knowledge and docummented, and when you bring them up somebody asks for a source.

[...]

A week later a different person does the same thing regarding the same topic. Multiply it three more times and then it becomes obvious asking for certain sources of information is a dishonest practice and nobody should be playing ball.

I moderate an echo on another network. I have gotten tired of providing
the links and quotes from said links to persons who will either (1) always ignore the information provided, or (2) will read the information and
change their tune, only to show up a couple of weeks later (after their "leader" has brought the fake info up again as real) acting as if no one
has ever shown them any proof otherwise.

Group 2 may be worse than Group 1 because Group 2 people usually wait just
long enough for me to have lost the links and I have to look them up all over again.


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Myself, I think that's far too old. (For context, I thought there was one federal retirement age, but no, the federal employee benefit plan makes it much more complicated than that. The oldest immediate retirement age under that plan is 62 with five years of service.)

Yes most public sector plans require 5 years to vest, i still need 2
years 11 months to get like 350 a month for life when I turn 60.

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When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and
which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.

many of these accusations are cherry picked to defame trump such as the
dead solider from texas where the sister of the one died said the
atlantic magazine writer lied big time.

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When you cherry-pick some comments/actions/inactions, you can say that about any politician you want to. It's all a matter of context, and
which "side" you're on. Let me know if you need a list of gaffs/slights produced by the current administration on this subject.

many of these accusations are cherry picked to defame trump such as the dead solider from texas where the sister of the one died said the
atlantic magazine writer lied big time.

I believe that was my point, wasn't it?

Also, you snipped most of the context from a months-old post, so it's difficult to remember what is even being talked about here.



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